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Strange Ideas from
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Haunting Online
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How We've Dealt with Past Attacks

The Scientific Truth about Copper-Peptides

Scientific Publications on
Dr. Pickart's Copper-Peptides



Page dedicated to the Trolls who manage to
increase our orders by giving us more publicity.


Skin Biology and Dr. Pickart are under attack by one or more Internet Trolls (but probably just one, posting under different names to have someone to talk with) at the online Bulletin Board at Essential Day Spa. Such Trolls are usually hired and paid by a competitor to attack our products on various skin care forums or blogs. Trolls obtain about 20 email addresses, then post under different names. This has happened in the past (See information regarding Procyte below) but the only lasting effect was to increase Skin Biology orders. But we will post rational answers to their comments or attacks (unless the post is totally neurotic and doesn't deserve to be dignified with a response). Our answers will always be supported by independent scientific data from reputable sources. Visitors interested in the truth about healthy skin care and copper-peptides will find the information below invaluable and educational while being presented in a light hearted manner.

Essential Day Spa is a reputable company. Their staff is friendly and competent and Skin Biology has enjoyed a business relationship with them for years. But internet trolls have invaded their online forum.

Copper's Protective and Anti-Aging Actions are well documented, for further analysis see our page at: http://www.skinbiology.com/copperhealth.html


Tale of a Dim Witted Troll

Angry, angry Troll
hiding in its hole,
rolling a scroll of defeat
with foul parchment deceit.

Silly lies it decries.
Its lies ignite tales
that it wags as it brags.
its fictitious fables foil.

Troll burls in her hole
with public status so dim
as it stews, brews and simmers,

bored monsters want dinner
to feed lies full of crap
to the saps who don’t glimmer
that science wins over
the dimwit within it.

 

NetTrolls





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What is an "Internet Troll"? IntenetTroll

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2] In addition to the offending poster, the noun “troll” can also refer to the provocative message itself, as in that was an excellent troll you posted. While the term troll and its associated action, trolling, are primarily associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels highly subjective, with trolling being used to describe many intentionally provocative actions outside of an online context."
-Excerpt from Wikipedia

The current Troll or Trolls (more likely just one Troll) on EDS pretend to be well educated and work in science and medicine. But this is extremely unlikely. Real physicians and scientists have real names and addresses. Successful physicians and scientists never become Trolls. And they don't have time to respond within minutes to forum posts.

 


Examples of Misinformation Spewed by an Internet Troll

We are in the process of responding to the questions that have a scientific answer. We will be adding to this page. Dr. Pickart has been very busy writing papers and currently has three papers on copper-peptides for skin accepted for publication in Europe. He is now working on the fourth paper.

The following are real posts and responses made recently on the EDS forum:

Topic: 2nd Generation Copper-Peptides

Note that the words used are at times exactly the same as used by ProCyte when attacking Skin Biology several years ago. See the our response to old ProCyte material below.

Posted by "Josee" the Troll
"...so called “second generation” copper peptides or copper chloride+hydrolyzed soy protein is not a real copper peptide, but a copper and protein complex. Unlike GHK-Cu, this copper complex is not naturally found in the body. Skin cells have no receptors to accept this molecule.

Therefore, it is broken down into free copper ions and protein fragments which apparently have little to no benefit for skin......Copper is a trace metal that can trigger edema, contact dermatitis, pro-oxidation by hydroxyl radicals & DNA damage if not bound to a particular peptide in a specific, controlled sequence. Copper complexes other than those naturally found in the body (such as GHK-Cu) have been found to promote double-strand DNA damage, dependent on their geometric structures and types of ligands..."

Josee also asserts that the 2nd generation copper peptides are inflammatory.

Answer:

Science Says
Dr. Howard Maibach tested these 2nd generation copper peptides on human skin. Four papers were published on positive actions of these copper peptides. These copper peptides also possessed strong anti-inflammatory actions. For Maibach's background see http://www.dermatology.ucsf.edu/faculty_staff/StaffBios/MaibachH.aspx.

1. In vivo nickel contact dermatitis: human model for topical therapeutics. Zhai, Chang, Singh, and Maibach (University of California, San Francisco, USA) Contact Dermatitis Vol. 40, pp. 205-208, 1999

Tested 2nd generation SRCPs on repair of human nickel allergy injured skin. Placebo-controlled double-blinded study found an accelerated the recovery of skin after injury and plus potent anti-inflammatory action.

2. Stripped skin model to predict irritation potential of topical agents in vivo in man. Zhai, Poblete, and Maibach (University of California, San Francisco, USA) International Journal of Dermatology, Volume 37, pages 386-389, 1998

Tested 2nd generation SRCPs on repair human tape stripped damaged skin. Placebo-controlled double-blinded study found an accelerated the rate of skin repair.

3. Sodium lauryl sulfate damaged skin in vivo in man: a water barrier repair model. Zhai, Leow, and Maibach (University of California, San Francisco, USA) Skin Research and Technology, Volume 4, pages 24-27, 1998

Tested 2nd generation SRCPs on repair of human 24-hour detergent damaged skin. Placebo-controlled double-blinded study found accelerated the rate of skin repair

4. Human barrier recovery after acute acetone perturbation: an irritant dermatitis model. Zhai, Leow, and Maibach (University of California, San Francisco, USA) Clinical and Experimental Dermatology, Volume 23, pages 11-13, 1998

Tested 2nd generation SRCPs on repair of human acetone damaged skin. Placebo-controlled double-blinded study found an accelerated the rate of skin repair.

I expect strong attacks on copper peptides from competing companies as the public realizes that, in addition to skin regenerative actions, copper peptides may also have anti-cancer actions. Look at the cancer section on www.skinbiology.com/copperpeptideregeneration.html. This will hurt the sales of many highly hyped cosmetic products. Many Trolls will be hired to attack copper peptides." - Dr. Pickart

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Topic: Copper and Copper-Peptides Decrease Cancer

In another awesome display of ignorance, "Josee the Troll" posted:

Well... since copper is also a potential carcinogen and copper peptides actually have made some tumor cells grow faster...

Answer:

Science Says

We had the 2nd generation copper peptides tested by the Shanghai Municipal Government testing facility and they were found to be non-carcinogenic.

GHK-copper was one of two compounds, among 1,309 compounds tested, that suppressed of cancer metastasis genes. GHK-copper the most effective and acted at the very low and non-toxic level of 1 micromolar. (Hong Y, Downey T, Eu KW, Koh PK, Cheah PY., Clin Exp Metastasis. 2010 Feb;27(2):83-90. A 'metastasis-prone' signature for early-stage mismatch-repair proficient sporadic colorectal cancer patients and its implications for possible therapeutics.)

The Center for Disease Control states that "Copper has not been shown to cause cancer in people or animals". The International Agency for Research on Cancer has determined that copper is not classifiable as to human carcinogenicity. Added copper complexes reduce spontaneous colon cancer in rats and, when administered to tumor-bearing rats, slow the rate of tumor growth. In cell culture, copper complexes cause some types of cancer cells to revert to non-cancerous growth patterns.

In 1912, cancer patients in Germany were treated for facial epithelioma with a a blend of copper chloride and lecithin with some success. In 1913, researchers at at the University of Liverpool reported injections of a copper salt degenerated carcinomas transplanted into mice.

John R. J. Sorenson (University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, College of Pharmacy) and colleagues treated rats with solid tumors with various copper complexes (such as copper salicylate) with SOD activity and this decreased tumor growth and increased survival rates in rats. These copper complexes did not kill cancer cells but often caused them to revert to the growth patterns of normal (differentiated) cells. (Sorenson, Prog Med Chem 1989; 26: 506-507) Sorenson also found that numerous copper complexes with SOD activity prevented or retarded the spontaneous development of cancers in mice and possessed anticancer, anti-carcinogenic, and anti-mutagenic effects both in vitro and in vivo. (Sorenson (ed.), Biology of Copper Complexes. Humana Press, Clifton, NJ. 1987)

The serum level of copper is often elevated in animals and humans with cancer (Inutsuka and Araki, Cancer 1978; 42: 626; Willingham and Sorenson, Tr Elem Med 1986; 3: 139-140.) It appears that this elevation of serum copper that occurs as a part of the body's response to the cancer, rather than its cause. Most tumor cells have decreased CuZnSOD activity compared to normal cells, and it has been suggested that the elevation in serum copper is a physiological response designed to activate CuZnSOD or other copper enzymes in cancer cells to inhibit their growth. (Oberley and Buettner, Cancer Res 1979; 39: 1141).

Colon cancer is the second most deadly cancer in the USA. When rats were fed low copper diets, they had a higher incidence of carcinogen-induced colon cancers compared with rats fed a high copper diet. (DiSilvestro, Greenson, Liao, Proc Soc Exp Biol Med 1992; 201: 94-99).

Also, APC is a gene known to suppress the formation of tumors and this gene is altered early on during colon cancer development. Familial adenomatous polyposis is a disease that has been linked to mutation changes in the APC gene. Individuals possessing these mutations develop numerous intestinal polyps (precancerous lesions) at an early age. A species of mice (Min or multiple intestinal neoplasia) have a mutation similar to the human gene (APC) that causes intestinal polyps and colon cancer. A study reported in 2001 by nutritionist Cindy D. Davis at the Human Nutrition Research Center (Grand Forks, N.D.) found that, when Min mice were fed a copper deficient diet (20% of normal level), they developed a significantly higher small intestine tumor incidence and a significantly higher small intestine tumor mass than mice fed adequate dietary copper. The low copper also decreased the expression of various protein kinase C isozymes, a series of proteins involved in the signal transduction pathway within the cell, thus upsetting normal cell regulation. Dr. Davis says these results have implications because 80% of the people in the USA do not ingest adequate amounts of copper.

Another study of copper deficiency in animals by Narayanan, Fitch and Levenson found that copper stimulates the production of the tumor-suppressor protein p53. This protein inhibits the growth of tumors in the body. (Narayanan, Fitch and Levenson, Dept. of Nutrition, Florida State U., Tallahassee, FL in The Journal of Nutrition, May 2001)

GHK-copper regenerative actions begin with its increase of protein P63 which maintains the proliferative capacity of adult stem cells.4 P63 is considered to have anti-senescence properties, foster genomic stability, and increase organismal longevity. The loss of P63 induces cellular senescence, and rapid, premature aging. (5-7) Interestingly, research suggests that P63 may suppress cancer. (8)

5. Su X, Flores ER. TAp63: The fountain of youth. Aging (Albany NY). 2009;1:866-9.
6. Keyes WM, Mills AA. p63: a new link between senescence and aging. Cell Cycle. 2006;5:260-5.
7. Beaudry VG, Attardi LD. SKP-ing TAp63: stem cell depletion, senescence, and premature aging. Cell Stem Cell. 2009;5:1-2.
8. Collavin L, Lunardi A, Del Sal G. p53-family proteins and their regulators: hubs and spokes in tumor suppression. Cell Death Differ. 2010 Apr 9. [Epub ahead of print] .

Further support for the role of GHK in cancer suppression is based on the small proteoglycan called decorin discovered as a molecule that helps regulate collagen synthesis. GHK-copper(+2) increases the production of decorin. (9) Apart of regulating collagen synthesis, decorin also possesses many regenerative and anti-inflammatory actions (regenerating nerves and muscles while suppressing scar formation) that are similar to the actions of GHK. However, decorin also suppresses tumor growth and metastasis of cancerous tissue (breast, prostate, osteosarcoma) in animal models. (10-26)
9. Siméon A, Wegrowski Y, Bontemps Y, Maquart FX. Expression of glycosaminoglycans and small proteoglycans in wounds: modulation by the tripeptide-copper complex glycyl-L-histidyl-L-lysine-Cu(2+). J Invest Dermatol. 2000;115:962-8.
10. Border WA, Noble NA, Yamamoto T, et al. Natural inhibitor of transforming growth factor-beta protects against scarring in experimental kidney disease. Nature. 1992;360:361-4.11. Logan A, Baird A, Berry M. Decorin attenuates gliotic scar formation in the rat cerebral hemisphere. Exp Neurol. 1999;159:504-10.
12. Fukui N, Fukuda A, Kojima K, et al. Suppression of fibrous adhesion by proteoglycan decorin. J Orthop Res. 2001;19:456-62.
13. Fukushima K, Badlani N, Usas A, et al. The use of an antifibrosis agent to improve muscle recovery after laceration. Am J Sports Med. 2001;29:394-402.
14. Grisanti S, Szurman P, Warga M, et al. Decorin modulates wound healing in experimental glaucoma filtration surgery: a pilot study. Invest Ophthalmol Vis Sci. 2005;46:191-6.
15. Weis SM, Zimmerman SD, Shah M, et al. A role for decorin in the remodeling of myocardial infarction. Matrix Biol. 2005;24:313-24.
16. Zhang Z, Garron TM, Li XJ, et al. Recombinant human decorin inhibits TGF-beta1-induced contraction of collagen lattice by hypertrophic scar fibroblasts. Burns. 2009;35:527-37.
17. Davies JE, Tang X, Denning JW, et al. Decorin suppresses neurocan, brevican, phosphacan and NG2 expression and promotes axon growth across adult rat spinal cord injuries. Eur J Neurosci. 2004;19:1226-42.
18. Minor K, Tang X, Kahrilas G, et al. Decorin promotes robust axon growth on inhibitory CSPGs and myelin via a direct effect on neurons. Neurobiol Dis. 2008;32:88-95.
19. Davies JE, Tang X, Bournat JC, Davies SJ. Decorin promotes plasminogen/plasmin expression within acute spinal cord injuries and by adult microglia in vitro. J Neurotrauma. 2006;23:397-408.
20. Li Y, Li J, Zhu J, Sun B, et al. Decorin gene transfer promotes muscle cell differentiation and muscle regeneration. Mol Ther. 2007;15:1616-22.
21. Reed CC, Waterhouse A, Kirby S, et al. Decorin prevents metastatic spreading of breast cancer. Oncogene. 2005;24:1104-10.
22. Shintani K, Matsumine A, Kusuzaki K, et al. Decorin suppresses lung metastases of murine osteosarcoma. Oncol Rep. 2008;19:1533-9.
23. Goldoni S, Seidler DG, Heath J, et al.An antimetastatic role for decorin in breast cancer. Am J Pathol. 2008;173:844-55.
24. Goldoni S, Iozzo RV. Tumor microenvironment: Modulation by decorin and related molecules harboring leucine-rich tandem motifs. Int J Cancer. 2008;123:2473-9.
25. Araki K, Wakabayashi H, Shintani K, et al. Decorin suppresses bone metastasis in a breast cancer cell line. Oncology. 2009;77:92-9.
26. Hu Y, Sun H, Owens RT, et al. Decorin suppresses prostate tumor growth through inhibition of epidermal growth factor and androgen receptor pathways. Neoplasia. 2009;11:1042-53.

Topic: How Copper-Peptides Increase Collagen

Posted by "Josee" the Troll
Actually there are a lot of processes during wound healing that are good for wound healing but not good outside of that situation.

For e.g. copper peptides stimulate MMPs. MMPs degrade collagen. In wound healing, this is actually good. When we injure ourselves, there's such a HUGE response to make collagen that it's done fast in disorganized arrays and also overdone. Hence we get scars. So a compound with MMPs activity is good because it might help degrade collagen and prevent the massive deposit.

But outside of wound healing, for anti-wrinking purposes for example, you want to keep your collagen, not degrade it so something with MMPs activity is something we want to avoid.

Answer:

Science Says
1. CPs increase collagen in normal skin

Effects of topical creams containing vitamin C, a copper-binding peptide cream and melatonin compared with tretinoin on the ultrastructure of normal skin - A pilot clinical, histologic, and ultrastructural study. Abdulghani A.A.; Sherr A.; Shirin S.; Solodkina G.; Tapia E.M.; Wolf.GottliebA.B.; Dermatology, UMDNJ, Robert Wood Johnson Medical School; Disease Management and Clinical Outcomes, 1998, 1:136-141.

A clinical study which compared the effect on the skin's production of collagen after using creams containing copper-peptides, vitamin C, or retinoic acid (retin-A) Twenty volunteers applied the various creams to their thighs daily for one month. New collagen production was determined by studying skin biopsy samples using immunohistological techniques. The study found, that after one month, copper-peptides had the most significant effect on collagen production. Significant increases in collagen production were found in 70% of the persons treated with copper-peptide creams, 50% of the persons treated with the vitamin C cream, and 40% of the persons treated with retinoic acid.

2. Other studies on skin

2.1 A Clinical Evaluation of a Copper-Peptide Containing Liquid Foundation and Cream Concealer Designed for Improving Skin Condition. Appa Y, Barkovic S, Finkey M B, Neutrogena Corporation, Los Angeles, CA, Stephens, T, TJ Stephens & Associates, Inc, Dallas, TX Abstract P66, American Academy of Dermatology Meeting, February 2002

GHK-Cu containing liquid foundation tested on skin appearance, skin elasticity and epidermal thickness in an 8 week study. GHK-Cu containing liquid foundation improved skin appearance, and increased skin elasticity and epidermal thickness.

2.2 The Effect of Tripeptide to Copper Ratio in Two Copper Peptide Creams on Photoaged Facial Skin. Leyden J, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA, Grove, G, KGL, Inc/Skin Study Center, Broomall, PA; Barkovic S, Appa Y, Neutrogena Corporation, Los Angeles, CA; Abstract P67, American Academy of Dermatology Meeting, February 2002

GHK-Cu containing creams tested for reducing visible signs of aging and increasing skin density. GHK-Cu containing creams reduced visible signs of aging, decreased photodamage, and increased skin density in 8 weeks on facial skin.

2.3 Skin Care Benefits of Copper Peptide Containing Facial Cream. Leyden J, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA Stephens T, Thomas J Stephens & Associates, Inc, Dallas, TX; Finkey MB, Barkovic S, Neutrogena Corporation, Los Angeles, CA; Abstract P68, American Academy of Dermatology Meeting, February 2002

GHK-Cu containing creams tested for effect on wrinkles, fine line, skin elasticity, skin density, and thickness. Placebo-controlled study, 71 females, 12 weeks. GHK-Cu containing creams reduced wrinkles and fine lines while increasing skin elasticity, skin density, and thickness.

2.4 Skin Care Benefits of Copper Peptide Containing Eye Creams. Leyden J, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA; Stephens T, Thomas J Stephens & Associates, Inc, Dallas, TX; Finkey MB, Barkovic S, Neutrogena Corporation, Los Angeles, CA; Abstract P69, American Academy of Dermatology Meeting, February 2002

GHK-Cu containing eye creams tested on wrinkles, fine lines and eye appearance in placebo controlled study, 41 females, 12 weeks. In a second placebo controlled, 3 week, half face study, GHK-Cu was significantly better than a vitamin K cream. GHK-Cu containing eye creams reduced wrinkles and fine lines while improving eye appearance in placebo-controlled study. GHK-Cu was significantly better than a vitamin K cream.

2.5 Copper Peptide and Skin, M.B. Finkley, Y. Appa, S. Bhandarkar, Cosmeceuticals and Active Cosmetic, 2nd Edition (ISBN: 0-8247-4239-7), 2005, pp 549-563

A series of placebo-controlled studies found GHK-Cu skin creams to:
1. Tighten loose skin and improve elasticity
2. Improve skin density and firmness
3. Reduce fine lines and deep wrinkles 4. Improve skin clarity
5. Reduce photodamage and mottled hyperpigmentation
6. Strongly increase keratinocyte proliferation in women of 50 year old range

2.6 GHK-Cu reduced overall metalloproteinase activity. This activity is a result of the level of proteinases and anti-protease proteins. In wound studies, GHK-Cu actually reduced the level of activity. Remodeling of skin is the process of removing older skin and damage, then new cells and proteins are produced. Skin cannot be rebuilt without removing old proteins.

Copper peptides increase the production of MMPs and anti-proteases that block MMP actions. So the actual MMP activity depends on the balance of these two types of proteins. The only direct test of copper peptides and MMP activity is from a study in rats this idea was from a study in rats that found that the copper peptides actually decreased the activity of MMPs.

Vet Surg. 2003 Nov-Dec;32(6):515-23.
The effect of topical tripeptide-copper complex on healing of ischemic open wounds.

Canapp SO Jr, Farese JP, Schultz GS, Gowda S, Ishak AM, Swaim SF, Vangilder J, Lee-Ambrose L, Martin FG.
Department of Small Animal Clinical Sciences, University of Florida
College of Veterinary Medicine, and the School of Medicine Institute for
Wound Research, Gainesville, FL 32610, USA.
OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effects of topical glycyl-L-histidyl-L-lysine tripeptide-copper complex (TCC; Iamin 2% Gel; Procyte Corporation, Redmond, WA) on healing in ischemic open wounds.
STUDY DESIGN: Experimental study. SAMPLE POPULATION: Twenty-four adult male Sprague-Dawley rats. METHODS: Rats were divided into 3 groups: topical TCC, topical TCC vehicle (hydroxypropyl-methylcellulose), and no treatment (control). Six-mm-diameter, full-thickness wounds were created within an ischemic bipedicle skin flap on the dorsum of each rat. Each day, for 13 days, wound margins were traced, and the TCC and TCC vehicle groups were treated topically. Tracings were scanned, and wound
perimeter and area were calculated. On days 6, 10, and 13, selected wounds were biopsied and analyzed for tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNF-alpha) and matrix metalloproteinases (MMP) 2 and 9.
RESULTS: A significant decrease in wound area was seen in the TCC group, but not the vehicle group, when compared with the control group on days 3 to 5, 6 to 9, and 11 to 13 and when TCC was compared with TCC vehicle on days 3 and 9. On day 13, initial wound area had decreased by 64.5% in the TCC group, 45.6% in the vehicle group, and 28.2% in the control group. On days 6, 10, and 13, TCC-treated wounds contained significantly lower concentrations of TNF-alpha and MMP-2 and MMP-9 than control wounds.
CONCLUSION: Topical TCC resulted in accelerated wound healing in ischemic open wounds.
CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Topical TCC is an effective stimulant of healing of ischemic open wounds in rats and may have an application for the treatment of chronic wounds in other species. Clinical evaluation of topical TCC is warranted.

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Topic: Buried Skin Damage:

Keliu wrote:
"It would seem to me that it's either medically possible to have "buried damage", or it is not. This is the 21st Century, someone must have worked it out by now. If there is no such thing as "buried damage", why has Dr Pickart devoted his career to curing it?"

"Josee" the Troll writes that there is no such thing as "Buried Skin Damage"
She says, "I think there's a difference between the claims to cure XYZ and the "theory" behind it.

For e.g. a claim is that copper peptides improve scars. And that is in theory something that the manufacturer has worked for.

Now a very different thing is people saying that when you start using Copper peptides you will get "uglies" (i.e your skin will look bad) because that's the damage (i.e. scars, broken collagen) somehow coming up through the epidermis and thus becoming visible Confused That theory has no biological basis."

Answer:

Science Says
See http://reverseskinaging.com/buried-skin-damage.html for examples of buried skin damage.

The Neutrogena studies at the University of Pennsylvania and UC San Francisco found that copper peptides removed photodamage a (which is primarily buried) and blemishes while reducing lines and wrinkles. See www.skinbiology.com/copperpeptideregeneration.html.

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Topic: Do Copper-Peptides Work on Normal Skin?

EDS Trolls say that copper peptides do not work on normal skin and there are no studies showing histological changes in the skin.

Answer:

Science Says
There is CP uptake information into human skin, safe studies, and many histological pictures in the article that is referenced on www.skinbiology.com/copperpeptideregeneration.html.

Copper Peptide and Skin, M.B. Finkley, Y. Appa, S. Bhandarkar, Cosmeceuticals and Active Cosmetic, 2nd Edition (ISBN: 0-8247-4239-7), 2005, pp 549-563. Any good medical library will have the book. The paper describes:

A series of placebo-controlled studies found GHK-Cu skin creams to:
1. Tighten loose skin and improve elasticity
2. Improve skin density and firmness
3. Reduce fine lines and deep wrinkles 4. Improve skin clarity
5. Reduce photodamage and mottled hyperpigmentation
6. Strongly increase keratinocyte proliferation in women of 50 year old range

- Dr. Pickart

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Topic: Copper-Peptides and Alzheimer's Disease?

EDS Trolls say that copper increases Alzheimer's Disease.

Answer:

Science Says
"Copper may protect against Alzehiemer's disease.

Excessive copper has been blamed for many diseases - heart disease, cancer, etc. The problem is that most of this comes from data on blood plasma copper and diseases. But usually, high blood plasma copper is associated with low tissue copper. Most plasma copper - 95% - is in ceruloplasmin - an acute phase reactant that rises with stress and disease. Available copper in the plasma is 5% of the plasma copper and on albumin.

In every case so far, when all the data came in on a disease, it was found that higher tissue copper reduced the disease or condition.

For years, a German physician was preaching that copper caused Alzheimer's. Then a lab said rabbits fed cholesterol and copper developed brain plaques. This led to some very good studies in the best Alzheimer's research labs in Germany, Canada, and the USA and these labs came to the opposite conclusion; that more copper reduced brain plaques.

But the best study was one that gave supplemental copper to Alzheimer's patients. Those given more copper, had less mental decay. 8 mgs of supplemental copper daily is safe in the Alzheimer's patients. See below.

Newer studies have found that more copper 2+ blocks the formation of plaques. See below.

1. Science News
Protective Role For Copper In Alzheimer’s Disease

ScienceDaily (Oct. 13, 2009) — Two articles in a forthcoming issue of the Journal of Alzheimer’s Disease -- by Dr Chris Exley, Reader in Bioinorganic Chemistry in the Research Institute for the Environment, Physical Sciences and Applied Mathematics at Keele University, UK, and Dr Zhao-Feng Jiang, of Beijing Union University, Beijing, China -- have confirmed a potentially protective role for copper in Alzheimer’s disease.

Previous research has shown that copper is one component of the amyloid beta plaques which are found in the brains of people of Alzheimer’s disease.

A central tenet of the Amyloid Cascade Hypothesis of Alzheimer’s disease is the aberrant deposition in the brain of Aβ42 in β-sheets in neuritic or senile plaques. The Keele team have shown in previous research in JAD that copper (Cu(II)) prevents the deposition of Aβ42 in β-sheets while in the current research they show that Cu(II) abolishes the β-sheet structure of preformed amyloid fibrils of Aβ42. A similar finding was made by the group of Jiang for the other form of beta amyloid, Aβ40, and together these observations strongly suggest that copper prevents both the formation and the accumulation of plaques in the brain.

Coincident with the copper-catalysed dissolution of β-sheets of Aβ42, Exley’s group made the first observation of the in vitro formation of spherulites of this peptide. These spherical globules of amyloid have only previously been observed in vitro for the other amyloid-forming proteins insulin and β-lactoglobulin. Copper appeared to have a role in the formation of spherulites of Aβ42 and this will be investigated in future research. The role of metals in the formation, deposition and metabolism of Aβ in Alzheimer’s disease is much debated and these new findings highlight a potential protective role for copper in Alzheimer’s disease.

2. JOURNAL OF ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE
Volume 18, Number 4, December 2009
Pages 811-817
Emily House, Matthew Mold, Joanna Collingwood, Alex Baldwin, Steven Goodwin, Christopher Exley
Copper Abolishes the β-Sheet Secondary Structure of Preformed Amyloid Fibrils of Amyloid-β42
Abstract: The observation of the co-deposition of metals and amyloid-β42 (Aβ42) in brain tissue in Alzheimer’s disease prompted a myriad of investigations into the role played by metals in the precipitation of this peptide. Copper is bound by monomeric Aβ42 and upon precipitation of the copper-peptide complex thereby prevents Aβ42 from adopting a β-sheet secondary structure. Copper is also bound by β-sheet conformers of Aβ42, and herein we have investigated how this interaction affects the conformation of the precipitated peptide. Copper significantly reduced the thioflavin T fluorescence of aged, fibrillar Aβ42 with, for example, a 20-fold excess of the metal resulting in a ca 90% reduction in thioflavin T fluorescence. Transmission electron microscopy showed that copper significantly reduced the quantities of amyloid fibrils while Congo red staining and polarized light demonstrated a copper-induced abolition of apple-green birefringence. Microscopy under cross-polarized light also revealed the first observation of spherulites of Aβ42. The size and appearance of these amyloid structures were found to be very similar to spherulites identified in Alzheimer’s disease tissue. The combined results of these complementary methods strongly suggested that copper abolished the β-sheet secondary structure of pre-formed, aged amyloid fibrils of Aβ42. Copper may protect against the presence of β-sheets of Aβ42 in vivo, and its binding by fibrillar Aβ42 could have implications for Alzheimer’s disease therapy.

3. Increased dietary copper have a slightly positive effect on Alzheimer's patients

J Neural Transm. 2008 Dec;115(12):1651-9. Epub 2008 Oct 30.
Effect of copper intake on CSF parameters in patients with mild Alzheimer's disease: a pilot phase 2 clinical trial.

Kessler H, Pajonk FG, Bach D, Schneider-Axmann T, Falkai P, Herrmann W, Multhaup G, Wiltfang J, Schäfer S, Wirths O, Bayer TA.

Department of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, Saarland University Hospital, Homburg/Saar, Germany.

A plethora of reports suggest that copper (Cu) homeostasis is disturbed in Alzheimer's disease (AD). In the present report we evaluated the efficacy of oral Cu supplementation on CSF biomarkers for AD. In a prospective, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled phase 2 clinical trial (12 months long) patients with mild AD received either Cu-(II)-orotate-dihydrate (verum group; 8 mg Cu daily) or placebo (placebo group). The primary outcome measures in CSF were Abeta42, Tau and Phospho-Tau. The clinical trial demonstrates that long-term oral intake of 8 mg Cu can be excluded as a risk factor for AD based on CSF biomarker analysis. Cu intake had no effect on the progression of Tau and Phospho-Tau levels in CSF. While Abeta42 levels declined by 30% in the placebo group (P = 0.001), they decreased only by 10% (P = 0.04) in the verum group. Since decreased CSF Abeta42 is a diagnostic marker for AD, this observation may indicate that Cu treatment had a positive effect on a relevant AD biomarker. Using mini-mental state examination (MMSE) and Alzheimer disease assessment scale-cognitive subscale (ADAS-cog) we have previously demonstrated that there are no Cu treatment effects on cognitive performance, however. Finally, CSF Abeta42 levels declined significantly in both groups within 12 months supporting the notion that CSF Abeta42 may be valid not only for diagnostic but also for prognostic purposes in AD.

4. Science News
Intake Of Dietary Copper Helps Alzheimer's Patients
ScienceDaily (Oct. 4, 2005) — As one of the services for patients with Alzheimer's disease, the Department of Psychiatry at the Saarland University Medical Center offers participation in a clinical phase II trial. This clinical trial aims to elucidate a potential beneficial effect of copper orotate (an organic copper salt), which is given together with a standard cholinesterase inhibitor. A diagnosis of mild to moderate dementia of the Alzheimer type is a prerequisite. Besides clinical investigations, laboratory investigations of blood and cerebrospinal fluid, and magnet resonance imaging of the brain will be carried out. The study is being conducted by Professor Dr. Thomas Bayer, the Head of the Division of Neurobiology, and Dr. Frank Pajonk, a Psychiatrist, at the Department of Psychiatry, Saarland University Medical Center.

Treatment starts after all prerequisites to participate have been met. Half of the patients receive 8 mg copper orotate per day, the other half a placebo. Both patients and psychiatrists are blinded. During the 12-month long double-blind phase, there will be extensive laboratory, clinical and neuropsychological tests. After the double-blind phase, we offer an open-label phase for all patients. At present, 15 patients have finished the double-blind phase. The copper medication is well tolerated.

Alzheimer is characterized by the presence of amyloid plaques, which are composed primarily of Aß peptide. Aß is produced within neurons and is liberated from the larger amyloid ß protein precursor (AßPP). Lower levels of copper have been reported in the brain of AßPP transgenic mice and post-mortem in AD patients. This concept has been found to be true also in vitro by Professor Dr. Gerd Multhaup (FU Berlin) in 1999. Two recent papers, which have been published in PNAS in 2003 have proven a beneficial effect of elevated copper in transgenic AßPP mice. In the present study, the teams led by Bayer and Multhaup have found that low copper level in blood correlates with advanced memory deficits, as tested by the well established ADAS-cog neuropsychological test battery. Patients with higher blood copper levels make fewer mistakes in this memory test. This result supports the notion of a mild copper deficiency in AD patients. An increased uptake of dietary copper may therefore be therapeutically relevant.

The study has been published in the September 2005 issue of the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease, Volume 8, Issue 1 published by IOS Press: "Cognitive decline correlates with low plasma concentrations of copper in patients with mild to moderate Alzheimer's disease" (JAD, Vol. 8, Issue 1).

5. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2003 Nov 25;100(24):14187-92. Epub 2003 Nov 14.
Dietary Cu stabilizes brain superoxide dismutase 1 activity and reduces amyloid Abeta production in APP23 transgenic mice.

Bayer TA, Schäfer S, Simons A, Kemmling A, Kamer T, Tepest R, Eckert A, Schüssel K, Eikenberg O, Sturchler-Pierrat C, Abramowski D, Staufenbiel M, Multhaup G.

Department of Psychiatry, Division of Neurobiology, University of the Saarland Medical Center, D-66421 Homburg, Germany. thomas.bayer@uniklinik-saarland.de

The Cu-binding beta-amyloid precursor protein (APP), and the amyloid Abeta peptide have been proposed to play a role in physiological metal regulation. There is accumulating evidence of an unbalanced Cu homeostasis with a causative or diagnostic link to Alzheimer's disease. Whereas elevated Cu levels are observed in APP knockout mice, APP overexpression results in reduced Cu in transgenic mouse brain. Moreover, Cu induces a decrease in Abeta levels in APP-transfected cells in vitro. To investigate the influence of bioavailable Cu, transgenic APP23 mice received an oral treatment with Cu-supplemented sucrose-sweetened drinking water (1). Chronic APP overexpression per se reduced superoxide dismutase 1 activity in transgenic mouse brain, which could be restored to normal levels after Cu treatment (2). A significant increase of brain Cu indicated its bioavailability on Cu treatment in APP23 mice, whereas Cu levels remained unaffected in littermate controls (3). Cu treatment lowered endogenous CNS Abeta before a detectable reduction of amyloid plaques. Thus, APP23 mice reveal APP-induced alterations linked to Cu homeostasis, which can be reversed by addition of dietary Cu.

6. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2003 Nov 25;100(24):14193-8. Epub 2003 Nov 14.
In vivo reduction of amyloid-beta by a mutant copper transporter.

Phinney AL, Drisaldi B, Schmidt SD, Lugowski S, Coronado V, Liang Y, Horne P, Yang J, Sekoulidis J, Coomaraswamy J, Chishti MA, Cox DW, Mathews PM, Nixon RA, Carlson GA, St George-Hyslop P, Westaway D.

Center for Research in Neurodegenerative Diseases, University of Toronto, Toronto, ON, Canada M5S 3H2.

Cu ions have been suggested to enhance the assembly and pathogenic potential of the Alzheimer's disease amyloid-beta (Abeta) peptide. To explore this relationship in vivo, toxic-milk (txJ) mice with a mutant ATPase7b transporter favoring elevated Cu levels were analyzed in combination with the transgenic (Tg) CRND8 amyloid precursor protein mice exhibiting robust Abeta deposition. Unexpectedly, TgCRND8 mice homozygous for the recessive txJ mutation examined at 6 months of age exhibited a reduced number of amyloid plaques and diminished plasma Abeta levels. In addition, homozygosity for txJ increased survival of young TgCRND8 mice and lowered endogenous CNS Abeta at times before detectable increases in Cu in the CNS. These data suggest that the beneficial effect of the txJ mutation on CNS Abeta burden may proceed by a previously undescribed mechanism, likely involving increased clearance of peripheral pools of Abeta peptide." - Dr. Pickart

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Topic: Are Soy Peptides Harmful?

EDS Trolls say that soy peptides are harmful

Answer:

Science Says
Soy peptides may actually prevent age-related chronic diseases

A New Frontier in Soy Bioactive Peptides that May Prevent Age-related Chronic Diseases
Wenyi Wang 1 Elvira Gonzalez de Mejia 1 1 Authors Wang and Mejia are with Dept. of Food Science and Human Nutrition, Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 228 ERML, MC-051, 1202 West Gregory Drive, Urbana-Champaign, IL 61801.

During gastrointestinal digestion or food processing of proteins, small peptides can be released and may act as regulatory compounds with hormone-like activities. Numerous biologically active peptides (bioactive peptides) have been identified. Most bioactive peptides are derived from milk and dairy products, with the most common being angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitory peptides. Soybean protein and soybean derived peptides also play an important role in soybean physiological activities, particularly those related to the prevention of chronic diseases. However, the bioactive potential of soybean derived bioactive peptides is yet to be fully appreciated. After a general introduction of approaches and advances in bioactive peptides from food sources, this review focuses on bioactive peptides derived from soybean proteins and their physiological properties. Technological approaches to generate bioactive peptides, their isolation, purification, characterization, and quantification, and further application in food and drug design are also presented. Safety concerns, such as potential toxicity, allergenicity, and sensory aspect of these peptides are likewise discussed.

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Topic: Lies About Dr. Pickart's Background

Rant by "Josee" the Troll
"Actually, for all the decades he's been working on he only has 30 publications. My supervisor has over 300 (you can search him, he's Kramer MS), just to give you an idea of the amount of research an established researcher actually does. His publications don't really have to do with skin itself but with Cu-GHK (others are totally unrelated). I'm not saying he doesn't know anything but to suddenly claim he is this great eminence... his credentials don't back that up. He's a biochemist.

Star Model wrote:
He has been approached by big cosmetic companies to sell his products, but he knows they would turn it into unethical marketing hype. So he chooses to remain a small, privately owned hobbyist research company to avoid the inevitable tainting of his products, despite the HUGE money he would make. That speaks volumes and says a lot about his devotion to natural, safe & effective skincare.

Josee wrote:
He HAS SOLD his products!!! What are you talking about? He assigned his copper patent to ProCyte which is one of the reasons Neutrogena has copper peptide creams. So... he has a win-win situation. He sells the right of usage of his products to big corporations and still sells his own products on the side.

OK, first people say how amazing he is he never sold his products to companies, and then when I point out he DID, then he is also amazing for that?!!?!? I don't think you can have it both ways.

The reason he might not have sold his "second generation copper peptides" is because there's basically ZERO, NADA research on them regarding antiaging properties. In the patent application Dr. Pickart basically claims that it accelerates healing in warm-blooded animals and that it decreases irritation. There are tons of products out there that do the same. Other patent applications cite "ONE CASE" basically for each "effect" (e.g. one woman put the peptone-copper complex with retinol and her scar faded. Retinol itself improves scar tissue so whether the effect is due to the peptone-cu complex or retinol.. it's not known) On the other hand, absolutely all the research out there (you can look it up on medline) is on GHK-Cu. In fact, Dr. Pikart published a review on 2008 on copper peptides on skin and he only dealt with GHK-Cu, without mentioning anything about "second generation".

I am not attacking him. I am not the one that said that selling your products to big companies is bad. He is the one that chose to make Procyte public hence transforming HIS OWN company into "big pharma" and selling the copper peptides to all kinds of companies. Personally, I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with people selling their stuff and I don't think every company out there is out to get me.

And yes, his team did a lot of research on GHK-Cu and it's wonderful all they discovered. That does not make him an expert on every single field, including sunscreens."

Answer:

Rational Answer
"Dear Star Model, I am a little baffled as to what this person is saying. There is a page on www.skinbiology.com/copperpeptideregeneration.html on my background. Many research articles are described in this page.

As for copper peptides, my PhD thesis in Biochemistry at UCSF was on the discovery of the human skin remodeling copper peptide, Gly-His-Lys. Since then I have published 17 reviews on actions of such copper peptides, two more will be published late this year, and I have been asked for another two reviews.

All of my early patents have proven to be correct in later published journal studies. The second generation peptides have aging reversal actions such as accelerating wound healing, increasing hair follicle size, and suppressing inflammation. I founded Procyte in my home and took it to NASDAQ and later founded Skin Biology.

The key to success in science is to make discoveries that increase understanding and trigger more research. Too many researchers publish huge numbers of safe, but trivial, research while living off the public dole. The Father of Modern Science, Galileo, wrote provocative books and sold telescopes to support his research.

It would be best if this Josee put in a link to his/her own qualifications and background." - Dr. Pickart

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Other Allegations:

Allegations by "Josee" the Troll
'"Dr. Pickart is not a real scientist."
"Dr. Pickart is an entrepreneur and not a scientist. He writes patents and not enough scientific papers."
"Dr. Pickart skips research steps and ignores authorities in his research field."

Answer:

Rational Answer
1. "Dr. Pickart is not a real scientist."

This is news to me. I have a BA in Chemistry and Mathematics from the University of Minnesota and a PhD in Biochemistry from UC San Francisco.

The main problem in human life is that we die too soon. Other scientific problems are trivial in comparison. My goal in life was to discover a method of reversing some of the effects of aging in the human body. I discovered Gly-His-Lys during studies on aging and GHK has been proven to reverse many effects of aging on human skin. For references go to www.skinbiology.com/copperpeptideregeneration.html. Now I am primarily working to determine whether Gly-His-Lys could be used to treat inflammatory conditions of aging. There is also a possibility that Gly-His-Lys might activate unused adult stem cells and allow a "slipping around" the Hayflick Limit and extend healthy human life for many more years. We are also studying the evidence that Gly-His-Lys suppresses cancer metastasis and working this into a linkage between wound healing actions and cancer growth.

2. "Dr. Pickart is an entrepreneur and not a scientist. He writes patents and not enough scientific papers."

The basic idea here is that scientists should avoid any commercial interests and never develop products for the general public. They should live like a priestly cult that is constantly begging for money, and practicing chastity, poverty, and obedience.

A Few Scientific Entrepreneurs
Galileo - The Father of Modern Science who sold telescopes and had a mistress, the very beautiful Marina Gamba of Venice.
Pasteur - Created and named biochemistry. Also obtained patents and worked closely with industry.
Nikola Tesla - Created the modern electric system and many other things. Always raising money from investors. Obtained about 300 patents. The International System of Unit of measuring magnetic flux density and magnetic induction, the Tesla, was named in his honor.

There have been many entrepreneurs from my graduate school - UC San Francisco - such as Herb Boyer who founded Genentech and William Rutter who founded Chiron. These companies have had a huge impact on improving human health.

As for publishing papers, my first was in 1983 and my last in 2009. There are about 70. Some are in computerized indexes, others are in books and in industrial journals since I want my discoveries to be used by other humans. Two more will be published later this year.

There are criticisms that I did not publish a large number of papers. Well, why publish endless trivia (each paper read by about 20 people) like the Academic Trolls who spend their embittered, miserable lives ( I have often listened to their complaints) on a paper-publishing treadmill and a world of "You are only good as your last funded grant". The key is not a number of papers but the importance of discoveries in the papers.

3. "Dr. Pickart skips research steps and ignores authorities in his research field."

Yes, I admit that I do this. Life is short and not taking risks is the biggest risk.

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is
not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual."
Galileo
"What Do You Care What Other People Think?" Richard Feynman
"Why not go out on a limb? That's where the fruit is." Mark Twain

 




Strange Science History at Procyte Corporation

Several years ago, we had basically the same type of attacks arise from ProCyte Corporation, a company that I started in my home. I took the company from $0.001 per share to $8.00 per share on NASDAQ. After I had health problems, I was forced out of the company, and then the new management took it to $0.37 per share. But luckily, I sold my stock long before this disaster.

The following is from about 2003/2004.

We have had many questions about statements and emails coming out of ProCyte Corporation about copper peptides such as the following:

For example, copper salts and random amino acid sequences in a formulation are not true, complexed copper peptides, but just plain copper salts and peptides or proteins mixed together (i.e. hydrolyzed soy protein and copper chloride). It takes a special process and the correct amino acid chain to formulate the copper peptide most closely resembling one of the body's own natural copper carrier systems.

ProCyte's GHK copper and AHK copper, which are protected by ProCyte's patents, are the only true copper peptides on the market. GHK is one of the body's natural carriers of copper. Using advanced pharmaceutical processes, these specific amino acid chains bind the copper and protect it so that it can get to where it needs to go and then be recognized by the body as a natural transporter and release the copper. Copper salts are generally irritating and not easily utilized by the body.

ProCyte has over 15 years of research and development behind the GHK copper peptide complex used in Neova Therapy products. The data supporting the improved wound healing outcomes as well as the dramatic improvement in fine lines and wrinkles are specific to studies using GHK:Cu copper.

Protect your investment by purchasing the following brands, which are the only brands that utilize the GHK:Cu copper: Neova, Complex Cu3, Tricomin, Graftcyte, and Iomin (Comment - It is spelled "Iamin" - get a Greek dictionary).

1. As stated in the opening section, it is impossible to mix an aqueous mixture of the copper ions and equimolar peptides and not form copper peptides as the pH is raised toward neutrality. If the management at Procyte has found a method to do this, they should have it published in chemical journals. This would overturn 100 years of chemical research on the interactions of copper ions with peptides. The entire scientific world would be amazed.

2. There are no advanced pharmaceutical methods needed to for copper chelates. I prepared the first copper complexes of GHK in 1970 and needed no special processes.

3. Technology advances. Propellor planes have been replaced by jets. GHK will be replaced in time by improved complexes for the same uses.

 



Ms. Carmichael Expounds on Chemistry

This email was recently sent to Skin Biology by the recipient

Subject:
Re: Our new order
From:
"Robin Carmichael" <rcarmichael@procyte.com>

To:...............

CC:
"Jack Clifford" <jclifford@procyte.com>

Ok.  I will get the order going and will note the new freight forwarder.

Regarding Skin Biology, please note this is NOT a real copper peptide product. (Comment - This is not true - See above) It is a imitator and is not the patented GHK Copper that uses the body's own natural carrier for copper.  Dr. Pickart was one of the early founders of ProCyte, but he has not been with the company or involved in the technological development of the GHK Cu or any product for over 10 years!!!!!!! (Comment - I have been working on developing an improved technology for copper peptides for the last 10 years, on copper peptides for 34 years, and on aging reversal methods for 40 years)

I do not know a good analogy for you, but basically, ProCyte makes the GHK copper peptides under pharmaceutical control as these require very specific and controlled processing.  Due to the rapid success of ProCyte's patented copper peptide technology, we are now seeing a number of lame imposters (Comment - It is spelled "impostors", get an English dictionary) using various copper substances or salts starting to creep up in the market place.(Comment - so much time has passed that many key patents at Procyte will begin to expire in 2004).

To briefly summarize the differences between copper products:
It is important to note that not all copper peptide products are the same!  For example, copper salts and random amino acids in a formulation are not true, complexed copper peptides, but just plain copper salts and proteins mixed together - rather like sugar and water - do not necessarily make caramel!!!  It takes a special process and the correct amino acid chain to formulate the copper peptide most closely resembling the body's own natural copper carrier system (Comment - All peptides avidly chelate ionic copper (+2), maybe she should stick to making caramels).

ProCyte's GHK:cu copper and AHK:cu copper which are protected by ProCyte's patents are the only true copper peptides on the market.  GHK is the body's natural carrier of copper.  Using advanced pharmaceutical processes, these amino acid chains are complexed such that they bind the copper and protect it so that it can get to where it needs to go and then be recognized by the body as natural transport and release the copper.  Copper salts are generally irritating and not easily utilized by the body.

True GHK Copper that still has the peptide bound to it as the protective carrier is BLUE!!!!  Copper salts + random amino acid products are green- not blue, so it is easy to tell an imposter (Comment - It is spelled "impostors", get an English dictionary).

So remember - copper is vital to skin health and tissue repair, but you need the proper copper peptide complex - GHK:cu - and formulation to allow the copper to be of value.

Hope this helps!!!!

(Comment - Ms. Carmichael should go back to school and learn some advanced chemistry and biochemistry. Or perhaps she should publish these strange ideas in a chemical journal. This would overturn 100 years of chemical research on copper ions and peptides. All peptides avidly chelate ionic copper (+2))


What is the Scientific Truth About Skin Remodeling Copper Peptides?

We have had many questions about various assertions coming from people at Procyte Corporation.

1. Copper peptides are complexes of copper ions and small pieces of proteins called peptides. For skin regeneration, the biologically active copper (+2) ion is most studied.

2. All peptides avidly bind copper (II) with binding affinities of about pK=9. This means that for each billion copper ions only one copper ion would not be bound to a peptide. Also, since copper (II) often binds to two peptides and this further raises the binding affinity by about 5 orders of magnitude, the amount of unbound copper (II) is immeasurably small and of no biological consequence. The knowledge that peptides and copper avidly bind to each other is over 100 years old and known by all educated chemists and biochemists.

3. Forming the complexes is extremely easy. A solution of any common copper salt, such as copper chloride or copper sulfate, is dissolved in water. The copper solution is then mixed with at least equimolar peptides and the pH slowly raised by the addition of a base such as sodium hydroxide. As the pH is raised above 5, the formation of copper complexes is virtually instantaneous. If copper salts existed, the copper (II) would immediately form a white precipitate of copper hydroxide.

4. My background and qualifications for making these statements is at www.skinbiology.com/copperpeptideregeneration.html.


Why I Created Second Generation Copper Peptides - Taken from a manuscript I wrote:  

Background

Certain types of copper peptide complexes possess both tissue protective and repair properties. Most information on these effects is based on a human copper peptide complex, glycyl-l-histidyl-l-lysine:copper (II) or GHK-CU.

Research by Dr. Loren Pickart found, between 1983 and 1989, that GHK-CU had protective and regenerative actions on several organ systems including skin, hair follicles, bone, gastric mucosa and intestinal linings. These types of copper complexes are increasingly used in cosmetic skin and hair care products, and after dermatological skin renewal procedures, such as, chemical peels, laser resurfacing, and dermabrasion, to improve post-treatment skin recovery.

The first generation copper peptides invented (circa 1993 to 1988) by Dr. Pickart (known as “Pickart’s 1st Generation Copper Peptides”) performed well in many controlled tests; however, these products failed in FDA clinical trials on the healing of very difficult-to-heal human wounds. This created the need for improved copper peptides.

The flaws in GHK-CU for commercial use are as follows:

1.1 Fragility of the GHK molecule

GHK is very sensitive to enzymatic breakdown.

GHK was discovered in 1973 by Dr. Loren Pickart and determined that the factor was a tripeptide containing glycine, histidine and lysine (Pickart, A tripeptide in human plasma that increases the survival of hepatocytes and the growth of hepatoma cells. Ph.D. Thesis in Biochemistry, University of California, San Francisco, 1973;  Pickart and Thaler, Nature New Biol 1973 May 16;243(124):85-7,  Tripeptide in human serum which prolongs survival of normal liver cells and stimulates growth in neoplastic liver).

At this time, only microgram amounts of the peptide were available for further analysis and isolation was very slow and tedious. In 1974, Pickart arranged with Dr. David Schlesinger at the Chemistry Department of Harvard University to determine the actual sequence of amino acids by controlled enzymatic breakdown of the tripeptide. Schlesinger’s group was considered the best for such types of analysis.

Schlesinger had great difficulties in the structure determination of GHK. The procedure used a timed breakdown of GHK by carboxypeptidase to determine the sequence of amino acids in the tripeptide. However, the first two attempts to determine the structure failed because of the extreme sensitivity of the tripeptide to breakdown by carboxypeptidase. Because of the slow rate of tripeptide isolation, this delayed to structural determination by two years (Growth modulating serum tripeptide is glycyl-histidyl-lysine. Schlesinger, Pickart, Thaler, Experientia 1977, 33(3):324-5).

1.2. Breakdown of the GHK molecule in serum and wound fluid

Carboxypeptidase and other proteolytic enzymes exist in blood plasma, serum and in wound fluids. Studies of radioactive GHK-CU at the Virginia Mason Research Center in Seattle between 1980 and 1985 found that the molecule was rapidly degraded in murine or human serum at 37 degrees centigrade. Localized injection found that  was cleared from the dermis within about a minute.

This fragility and rapid breakdown of GHK and other simple copper peptide complexes is the major problem in developing such types of products for clinical and cosmetic use. In the human body, the  complex can be generated constantly. However, when used as a single dose therapy, its fragility leads to rapid breakdown, clearance from the dermis, and a loss of effectiveness.

1.3 Chelation to copper does not protect GHK from breakdown

It was considered possible that when GHK was chelated to copper that it would become resistant to breakdown. However, this does not appear to be the case.

In human plasma and wound areas, GHK is likely to exist as a mixture of GHK and GHK-CU. GHK has high binding affinity for copper (II) (pK=16.2) very close to the affinity for copper (II) of albumin. GHK effectively competes with albumin for copper. However, under physiological conditions only about 5% to 20% of GHK molecules would be expected to exist as GHK-CU complexes with copper (II).

Furthermore, despite GHK’s high binding affinity for copper (II), proton magnetic resonance measurement indicated that GHK-CU continually exchanges copper with other GHK molecules. This means that naked GHK is periodically exposed to enzymes that can degrade the molecule (Kwa E, Bor-Sheng L, Rose N, Weinstein B, Pickart L., PMR studies of Cu(II) and Zn(II) interaction with glycyl-l-histidyl-l-lysine and related peptides, Peptides 1983, 8, 805-808; Elizabeth Kwa, Ph.D Thesis, Department of Chemistry, Univ. of Washington, 1983).

1.4 Rapid removal from sites of injection

As mentioned above, localized injection found that GHK-CU was cleared from the dermis within about a minute. There is a need for a longer acting skin regenerative copper peptide.

1.5 GHK-CU does not adhere to skin or tissues

GHK-CU does not adhere to skin or tissues. Aqueous solutions of molecule just run off intact skin, wounds, and tissues. If the adherence to tissues could be increased, this would, in all likelihood, enhance the persistence and activity of the molecule.

The reason for this lack of adherence is that GHK-CU is a highly charged molecule. This means that it will avidly form hydrogen bonds to water, thusly creating a “shell-of-hydration” in water. Such types of bonding can be very strong, up to 300 kilocalories per mole. This shell of water molecules will reduce interaction with skin and tissues.

The GHK-CU molecule is very hydroscopic, that is, it will pick up water from the air and turn into a watery syrup. The determination of the 3-dimensional structure of GHK-CU was complicated by this hygroscopic behavior (Pickart, Freedman, Loker, Peisach, Perkins, Stenkamp, Weinstein, Nature 288, 1980, 715).

2.0 Design of more stable synthetic analogs

A variety of chemical modifications to GHK have produced bioactive copper complexes with enhanced breakdown resistance.

Pickart invented a series of analogs of GHK-CU that possessed increased resistance to enyzymatic proteolysis. These analogs included GHK-n-ocytyl ester, GHK-amide, and GHK-benzyl ester. When complexed to copper 2, these analogs had healing activities comparable to GHK-CU (US Patent 4,665,054, filed Feb. 8, 1985, US Patent 4,877,770, filed Oct. 31, 1989).

Dalpozzi et al prepared a partially retro-inverso analogue of GHK was synthesized, in which the -CONH- bond between histidine and lysine was modified as -NHCO-. The new peptide analogue showed approximately a ten-fold increase in stability versus the parent peptide (Dalpozzo A, Kanai K, Kereszturi G, Calabrese G., H-Gly-His psi (NHCO)Lys-OH, partially modified retro-inverso analogue of the growth factor glycyl-L-histidyl-L-lysine with enhanced enzymatic stability, Int J Pept Protein Res 1993 Jun;41(6):561-6)).

Conato et al synthetically modified GHK with breakdown resistant groups. Histidine was replaced with either a synthetic amino acid, L-spinacine, or L-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-isoquinoline-3-carboxylic acid. The compounds were investigated with potentiometry, solution calorimetry, UV-VIS spectrophotometry, circular dichroism and electron paramagnetic resonance spectroscopies. All the ligands formed copper complexes having different stoichiometries and stabilities. After 3 hours in serum, GHK was degraded but the synthetic compounds showed no significant degradation (Conato et al, Copper complexes of glycyl-histidyl-lysine and two of its synthetic analogs: chemical behavior and biological activity, Biochim Biophys Acta 1526, 199-210, 2001).

2.1 Problems with synthetic GHK-CU Analogs

The problem with this classical organic chemistry approach is that each new chemical becomes, in FDA regulatory terms, a new chemical entity. This increases the possibility of undesirable side effects and much slower regulatory approvals. This would require extensive safety testing.

Also, an analysis of the possible copper-binding conformations suggests that some of these complexes may lose GHK-CU’s anti-inflammatory activity.

3.0 Pickart 2nd Generation Copper Peptides

To design improved tissue regenerative copper peptides, Pickart set the following goals that the improved copper peptides should:

3.1 Be resistant to breakdown by enzymes in serums and wound fluids.

3.2. Have a high adherence to skin and tissues.

3.3 Use peptides with long records of safety in human use.

3.4 Not require FDA testing as new products.

3.5. Demonstrate skin regenerative activity in animal models and humans.

3.6 Be more effective than GHK-CU on skin regeneration.

In veterinary studies, creams made from these new copper complexes produced rapid and scar-free healing in dogs after spaying operations, and in young horses after leg-straightening operations. This allowed the dogs to be returned to their owners in four days instead of the usual five, while the foals were returned in five days instead of seven.

In humans, four small, placebo-controlled studies were directed by the world-renown dermatologist Howard Maibach, who reported that creams containing the new copper peptides produced faster skin healing after skin injuries induced by tape stripping, acetone burns (removal of skin lipids), 24-hour detergent irritation, and nickel allergy inflammation.

4.0 At Skin Biology, I feel that we have attained all the goals in items 3.1 to 3.6 but further testing is still needed. My goal is to develop the ultimate method of using copper peptides for skin remodeling and regeneration.

4.1 Over the past five years, we have been filing patent applications and developing this technology into useful products.

5.0 Projected future uses of copper peptides

GHK-Copper remains the best molecule for internal medical treatments. I predict that, in time, the newer breakdown resistant, highly adhesive copper peptides under development at Skin Biology should prove better for cosmetic and superficial uses such as post-procedure dermatological healing, and development of scarless surgical procedures.

It is possible that GHK-copper could be used clinically to protect and speed repair of damaged organs. H. Paul Ehrlich found that intra-muscular injection of into the thigh muscle of rabbits raised circulating wound macrophages in the blood and accelerated the healing of distant wounds in the rabbit ear. Patients might be pre-treated with GHK- Copper before surgery to enhance post-surgical repair. Based on rabbit models, a dosage of 30 milligrams of should suffice. The molecule is also very beneficial on kidney organ culture. Thus, might be infused into patients with kidney failure to exert its tissue protective and repair actions.

The newer, second generation copper peptides produced at Skin Biology appear to be very useful for post-procedure recovery after skin peels, dermabrasion and laser resurfacing. The combination of hydroxy acids and these peptides slowly, over a period of several months, reduces old scars and skin lesions. This method is economical and avoids the complications that often occur after chemical peels or laser treatments. In experimental studies, the use of such types of copper peptides after surgical procedures often results in scarless or nearly scarless healing.

Skin Renewal Cycle of Copper-Peptides

 



Why We List Our Ingredients the Way We Do:

1. Some confusion has arisen as to the way we list product ingredients.

2. FDA regulations require that we list the ingredients in the form that we purchase them.

3. For example, for CP Serum we list:

CP Serum: Purified water, hydroxyethylcellulose, copper-peptides (hydrolyzed soy protein plus copper chloride), glycerin, propylene glycol (and) diazolidinyl urea (and) methylparaben (and) propylparaben, polysorbate-20, allantoin, glycine, cupric chloride, tocophersolan (Vitamin E), fragrance, aloe barbadensis leaf juice (aloe vera) gel.

4. We purchase copper salts and soy peptides and form the chelate as we mix them together in water. This is a trivial process that any high school chemistry student could do.



Making Copper Peptides by the Numbers


 
Making
GHK-copper (II)
Making Skin Biology's
peptide-copper (II)
complexes
If there are
no peptides present
Step 1
Dissolve a copper salt
such as copper
chloride in water. This
produced a slightly
acidic solution. 
Dissolve a copper salt such
as copper chloride in water.
This produced a slightly
acidic solution. 
Dissolve a copper salt such as
copper chloride in water. This
produced a slightly acidic solution. 
Step 2
Dissolve in to the
solution at least
equimolar peptide
Dissolve in at least
equimolar peptide
No peptide is added
Step 3
Raise the pH of the
solution to 5.5 to 7.5 as
desired for final pH
Raise the pH of the solution
to 5.5 to 7.5 as
desired for final pH
Raise the pH of the solution to 5.5
to 7.5 as desired for final pH
Step 4
The GHK-copper (II)
complex is formed
The soy peptide-copper (II)
complex is formed
A white gelatinous precipitate of
copper (II) hydroxide forms.
Unchelated copper (II) will not stay
in solution a physiological pHs.